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What is wrong with America, when we're so afraid of offending someone that we rewrite history in order to make it politically correct?

Let me tell you something.

The world, today, is full of good and bad.
The world, yesterday, was full of good and bad.
The world, tomorrow, will be full of good and bad.

How do we expect our children to learn from history, to learn from the mistakes and successes of our past, if we do not teach them? How do we expect our children to learn tolerance of other religions, races, and ideals, if we are not teaching them tolerance? What we are teaching our children today is that they should be afraid to show their beliefs in public. We are teaching them that it's not okay to be themselves. We're teaching them to hide who they really are.

Is that what you want your children to learn?

I am a Christian. I am a Republican. I am white. I am male. I was raised in a wealthy family. I support our President, our troops, and I believe we're involved in an important fight for freedom in the middle east.

Does that offend you?

Let me ask you this -- does the attack on our freedom of expression offend you even more?

Teach the truth, before it's too late.
Students Free to Thank Anybody, Except God[/b[
Courtesy of FOXNews.com

ANNAPOLIS, Md. — Maryland public school students are free to thank anyone they want while learning about the 17th century celebration of Thanksgiving — as long as it's not God.

And that is how it should be, administrators say.

Young students across the state read stories about the Pilgrims and Native Americans, simulate Mayflower voyages, hold mock feasts and learn about the famous meal that temporarily allied two very different groups.

But what teachers don't mention when they describe the feast is that the Pilgrims not only thanked the Native Americans for their peaceful three-day indulgence, but repeatedly thanked God.

"We teach about Thanksgiving from a purely historical perspective, not from a religious perspective," said Charles Ridgell, St. Mary's County Public Schools curriculum and instruction director.

School administrators statewide agree, saying religion never coincides with how they teach Thanksgiving to students.

Too much censorship can compromise a strong curriculum, some educators said.

"Schools don't want to do anything that would influence or act against the religious preferences of their students," said Lissa Brown, Maryland State Teacher's Association assistant executive director. "But the whole subject of religious toleration is a part of our history and needs to be taught."

Brown, a former social studies teacher, said she was surprised to hear schools aren't teaching about the Pilgrims' faith in God.

Teaching about a secular Thanksgiving counters the holiday's original premise as stated by George Washington in his Thanksgiving Day proclamation: "It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor."

Such omissions also deny the Pilgrims' religious fervor in the celebration of Thanksgiving, as related by Harry Hornblower, an archaeologist who spent years researching the history of the holiday.

According to the Web site Plimoth.org, dedicated to Hornblower's research, the Pilgrims "fell upon their knees and blessed the God of heaven who had brought them over the vast and furious ocean."

Thanksgiving, the site said, derived from their belief that "a series of misfortunes meant that God was displeased, and the people should both search for the cause and humble themselves before him. Good fortune, on the other hand, was a sign of God's mercy and compassion, and therefore he should be thanked and praised."

But researchers like Hornblower aren't mentioned in classrooms. "We don't focus on religion, because it is not a part of our curriculum," said Sandra Grulich, Cecil County Schools' elementary school curriculum coordinator.

Opponents of censorship worry that by omitting such religious material from lesson plans, educators are compromising their students' education.

"School administrators need to get a backbone," said Joel Whitehead, president and lawyer at the Rutherford Institute, a constitutional rights defense organization. "We are in real danger of throwing out cultural heritage in our country if we don't know what Thanksgiving is really about."

Mentioning that the Pilgrims were Puritan is about as close as most administrators are willing to step to integrate religion into their curriculums.

"We mention they were Puritan but students usually just understand that they had a belief system and not much more than that," said Carol Williamson, Queen Anne's County Schools' associate superintendent.

Thanksgiving is usually taught as a part of social studies and emphasizes cultural immersion.

"The Pilgrim Story is read in Spanish and English," said Alfreda Adams, principal at Mills-Parole Elementary School in Anne Arundel County where 70 Hispanic students attend. "We make sure that we celebrate all cultures."

The Mayflower, Pilgrims, Native Americans become enduring symbols to students before the two-day hiatus they are granted each year to spend time with their families.

"In elementary school we learned that the Pilgrims came to the Indians and they all had a feast," said Emmanuel Cobington, 13, a seventh-grader at Annapolis Middle School.

Emmanuel said his teachers never mentioned that the holiday was religious, but he added that he learns about different denominations in some of his classes.

"We learn about different religions like Judaism and Christianity in our social studies classes," he said.

Whitehead advocates for more classes like Emmanuel's and says it is harmful to students when administrators censor curriculums for fear of offending someone.

"Education is inevitably going to offend someone," said Whitehead. "We need to get beyond being politically correct, or everything will be glossed over."
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so what if it offends a few people if we talk about God. i'm sorry but i get extremely offended when people take out God in everything and i'm sure there are way more people that feel the way i feel. if we get rid of the belief of God than we get rid of the Declaration of Independence and everything this country was founded on.

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
i'm just waiting for the day that they rewrite the Declatation of Independence because it is to offensive to know that our founding fathers founded this country on a belief in God and personally as soon as God is taken out I feel our unalienable rights will be taken away and we will be forced back to Darwinism and his belief in survival of the fittest.[/quote]
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It says "Their Creator". It doesn't say God. That means it could be anyone's God, Goddess or whatever they believe in.
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ColorOfSakura wrote:It says "Their Creator". It doesn't say God. That means it could be anyone's God, Goddess or whatever they believe in.
Or you could look at history and know which religion was practiced by that group, at that time, and you'd know which God was written about.

Your comment is the perfect example of what happens when we rewrite history.
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Chreteau wrote:
ColorOfSakura wrote:It says "Their Creator". It doesn't say God. That means it could be anyone's God, Goddess or whatever they believe in.
Or you could look at history and know which religion was practiced by that group, at that time, and you'd know which God was written about.

Your comment is the perfect example of what happens when we rewrite history.
Or it's an example of how the founding fathers laid aside their own obvious biases in establishing their kinship. The ambiguity of the phrase "their Creator" could easily mean a belief in any divine and not just the christian God. If they'd meant God, they easily could have said God. Besides, they weren't going for a theocracy here. How many societies do you know of that have survived while persecuting whole sections within them based on religion?

Back to the original point...I disagree with the Thanksgiving example. How hard is it for people to compromise between conceding that something happened the way it happened and allowing for the possibility that events can take on additional meaning over the course of time? Yes, they knelt to God. It happened. Get over it. At the same time, Thanksgiving's meaning has deviated since the original event. That's happened, too, and it's still happening. Get over it. Same with the Declaration example...it's important to remember the involvement of God in the framing of the document (it's right there, people) but there's still the possibility that it allowed for far more religious tolerance.
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Kenshiro wrote:Yes, they knelt to God. It happened. Get over it. At the same time, Thanksgiving's meaning has deviated since the original event. That's happened, too, and it's still happening. Get over it.
I agree that the holiday today does not have the same meaning as the original Thanksgiving dinner. However, the fact that the celebration has changed over several years does not mean that we begin teaching a different, inaccurate, politically correct version of history.
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ok now i understand that it is written so that it is open to interpretation for different religions, my point is simply the same that Chreteau has been trying to make is that the whole trying to keep from offending people has gone so far as to change history. if we take the thanks to God out of thanksgiving its just like taking Christ out of Christmass. My point was simply that if they start with our national holidays soon enough they will decide that it is to offensive to have the word God in the declaration of independance and will start rewriting national documents.
it just like putting a frog in a pot of boiling water. you have to put them in the cold water and slowly turn up the heat to a boil, otherwise the frog will jump out. right now they just changing holidays around a little bit and soon they will be rewriting everything that has made this country what it is today.
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Chreteau wrote:
Kenshiro wrote:Yes, they knelt to God. It happened. Get over it. At the same time, Thanksgiving's meaning has deviated since the original event. That's happened, too, and it's still happening. Get over it.
I agree that the holiday today does not have the same meaning as the original Thanksgiving dinner. However, the fact that the celebration has changed over several years does not mean that we begin teaching a different, inaccurate, politically correct version of history.
I wholeheartedly agree. Perhaps "get over it" was a bit harsh...
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does anyone else find it humorous that this took place in St. Mary's County? i do.
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that is rather funny.
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sweetascandy010 wrote:does anyone else find it humorous that this took place in St. Mary's County? i do.
First thing I noticed reading through it.. stupid Catholics. :twisted:
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hey, i'm catholic!
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Nobody's perfect. ;)
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haha, nice. :P
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Just out of curiosity are Catholics afraid to stand up for a belief in God. I mean Kerry was all about how he would have run the country without bringing in religion or even talking about God publically, and now this. It seems to me that most of them do not stand up for their beliefs.
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Don't use Kerry as an example for Catholics. He couldn't stand up for anything. He probably changed his views on religion as much as he did on everything else. Whichever way the wind blows, that's the way John Kerry goes!
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Ok, they did it. I can't believe it but the schools are now trying to take God out of the Declaration of Independance and the Constitution. Has anyone else read the Standard that came out Tuesday. Its horrible. A guy in California now has to show is lesson plans to the principal before he can hand them out b/c he was promoting Christianity when he gave handouts of these historicle documents. No just wait. They will make an amendment to the Declaration of Independance so that it is more desirable to the nation. It makes me so sick. I'm sorry I just had to share this with you all. Have a good day.
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as far as the catholic thing, i can't speak for everyone. i believe in God, and if anyone asked me, i'd say so, however i am a firm believer in separation of church and state (oh yeah, i'm a democrat, harass me if you must lol) and i think that i would go the same way kerry said in trying to run the country without bringing God into it. i don't think that that's not standing up for your beliefs, i think its respecting the beliefs of others by not running a country by your religious beliefs when so many others don't feel that way.
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well see, this country was founded on those beliefs and as it says in the Declaration of Independance
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
and while i know that it doesn't say God it still means that there is a higher being that has endowed us with those rights and without a belief in at least a higher being than there is no belief in those rights. i don't feel that we should press beliefs on anyone and it is a free country, but just talking and teaching the truth about our founding fathers is not stepping on anyones toes. most of the stuff found on t.v. and in many of the songs now days are way more offensive than talking about God in schools. If people are so ashamed of their heritage and so ashamed of what this country was founded with than they need to find a new country. I'm sorry but its just completely wrong when they can't even hand out copies of the Declaration of Independance b/c it might be offensive for a kid to look at the word God. Also there is absolutely no where in the constitution that is says anything about Seperationg of Church and State. It simply says
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
personaly when a school or somebody comes up with not being able to say "Under God" in the pledge of alleigience, or for a teacher not to be able to hand out copies of the Declaration of Independance b/c of the word God, or for the school not to be able to teach about the pilgrims giving thanks to God than they are prohibiting the free exercise there thereof. What people choose to believe is up to them but stopping people from teaching what they believe in is an infringement on the first amendment.
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sorry i didn't mean to be so harsh. i've just had a pretty not so good day and this topic is very sensitive to me. i kinda took my anger out here when i should just try to calm down. please don't think i'm some mean horrible religious freak. i know everyone has there different beleifs and i respect them all completely. i just got a little carried away. i'm really sorry. please dont' hate me. im sorry.
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Well you had a good day yesterday, so it all balances out in the end!

We can let it slide!
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