That's not a very cheery way to die..A 19-year-old Washington, Mo.-area man who was visiting friends at Southwest Missouri State University appears to have taken his own life, Springfield police said after the man was found Sunday morning hanging from a tree outside a university dormitory.
Hanging Suicide
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Hanging Suicide
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This kind of stuff really depresses the hell out of me! I mean literally, it just kinda shuts me down for weeks! I feel so bad for that kid, and his parents, his friends, and all who knew him.
On that note, I have to say that I can't imagine having a life so hard, that it became easier just to end it. I won't lie to you, when I was much younger I spent countless nights on the edge of my bed, blades to my wrists, contemplating the benefits of living. But there was always one thing that kept me going...and God I wish that people would think about this before doing something so drastic. Think about how this kid has just affected so many people. Think about his parents sitting at home, holding pictures of him in his graduation robe, sobbing, wondering what they could have done to make his life better. The article in the paper said that he was possibly upset about a recent break up. Imagine how that girl feels now! Just imagine what it feels like to know that your actions hurt someone so much that they simply couldn't go on living. What about his friends at SMS that he came to see. They're sitting in their dorm rooms today thinking "damn, I just saw him" and remembering their childhoods together. What about that poor kid that stumbled on his lifeless body hanging from a tree at 7:00 in the morning. That is certainly an experience that will undoubtledly scar them for life. So many people have been affected by this. I feel affected and all I know of it is simply black and white print in a newspaper!
I'm not saying this poor kid didn't have a good reason for doing what he did...I don't know anything about him. But think of all the people that have to hurt now because of this. Moreover, all bad things eventually pass with time. What would this kid have become? What were his interests, his talents? Maybe he would have been the next big face in hollywood...maybe the senator who revolutionized healthcare, the scientists who cured cancer, the doctor who delievered your baby, or the teacher that tought your beautiful young child to read. All of this, and entire future, is now awash.
I just can't think about it anymore...it's almost unbareable when you really consider what has happened!
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On that note, I have to say that I can't imagine having a life so hard, that it became easier just to end it. I won't lie to you, when I was much younger I spent countless nights on the edge of my bed, blades to my wrists, contemplating the benefits of living. But there was always one thing that kept me going...and God I wish that people would think about this before doing something so drastic. Think about how this kid has just affected so many people. Think about his parents sitting at home, holding pictures of him in his graduation robe, sobbing, wondering what they could have done to make his life better. The article in the paper said that he was possibly upset about a recent break up. Imagine how that girl feels now! Just imagine what it feels like to know that your actions hurt someone so much that they simply couldn't go on living. What about his friends at SMS that he came to see. They're sitting in their dorm rooms today thinking "damn, I just saw him" and remembering their childhoods together. What about that poor kid that stumbled on his lifeless body hanging from a tree at 7:00 in the morning. That is certainly an experience that will undoubtledly scar them for life. So many people have been affected by this. I feel affected and all I know of it is simply black and white print in a newspaper!
I'm not saying this poor kid didn't have a good reason for doing what he did...I don't know anything about him. But think of all the people that have to hurt now because of this. Moreover, all bad things eventually pass with time. What would this kid have become? What were his interests, his talents? Maybe he would have been the next big face in hollywood...maybe the senator who revolutionized healthcare, the scientists who cured cancer, the doctor who delievered your baby, or the teacher that tought your beautiful young child to read. All of this, and entire future, is now awash.
I just can't think about it anymore...it's almost unbareable when you really consider what has happened!
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As much as I do offer my condolences, the idea of suicide to me, is not one of complete and total intelligence.
Life gets hard so you kill yourself? Uh, realize that if you live in America, have a house/apartment or whatever, have food on the table and clothing on your back...you are better off than 97% of the people in the world. And if you have your health, holy shit! Your living a fucking miracle compared to most people! I am not trying to stir anything up with this post, but I think suicide is a selfish and childish act. Most of the time, it is done out of guilt and revenge. "Oh - well they'll MISS ME when I'm gone! They'll see what it's like to hurt like I have!" and sometimes it's done simply from the standpoint of "Nobody loves me, they won't care if I'm gone." and maybe in a couple of case that could be true. But that's 1 out of 1,000 suicides. The reason I feel like preaching about it, is because I WAS at that point once. I was to the point of suicide. Only one time in my life though. And when it all came down to it, I realized that the person who hurt me wasn't worth my time anyways. I had a family that loved me and friends who would do anything to help me. So I didn't even go through with it.
Suicide shouldn't ever be made light of, it is a serious thing. But in the end, the tragic thing is that the person couldn't see past themselves to know what they really had.
Life gets hard so you kill yourself? Uh, realize that if you live in America, have a house/apartment or whatever, have food on the table and clothing on your back...you are better off than 97% of the people in the world. And if you have your health, holy shit! Your living a fucking miracle compared to most people! I am not trying to stir anything up with this post, but I think suicide is a selfish and childish act. Most of the time, it is done out of guilt and revenge. "Oh - well they'll MISS ME when I'm gone! They'll see what it's like to hurt like I have!" and sometimes it's done simply from the standpoint of "Nobody loves me, they won't care if I'm gone." and maybe in a couple of case that could be true. But that's 1 out of 1,000 suicides. The reason I feel like preaching about it, is because I WAS at that point once. I was to the point of suicide. Only one time in my life though. And when it all came down to it, I realized that the person who hurt me wasn't worth my time anyways. I had a family that loved me and friends who would do anything to help me. So I didn't even go through with it.
Suicide shouldn't ever be made light of, it is a serious thing. But in the end, the tragic thing is that the person couldn't see past themselves to know what they really had.
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I suppose the trick is to find a balance. Take turns being selfish.GypsySpazz wrote:alien8ed wrote:That doesn't mean however, that suicide isn't selfish.
Now on to another theory. Why is someone's death a time of sadness and mourning? They're allegedly in a happier place,
I get to be selfish first!
As far as your theory, not everyone is in a happier place after death. The tears someone cries at a funeral doesn't necessarily mean that they want them back, but that they are sad that they are gone. I'm sure though that some want them back, and I agree that this is selfish.
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You are absolutely right.ColorOfSakura wrote:And if you have your health, holy shit! Your living a fucking miracle compared to most people! I am not trying to stir anything up with this post, but I think suicide is a selfish and childish act. Most of the time, it is done out of guilt and revenge. "Oh - well they'll MISS ME when I'm gone! They'll see what it's like to hurt like I have!"
Dear Fucker.... You are my fuckin friend... And i hope u know thats fuckin true....No matter what the fuck happens.....I will stand the fuck by u...I will fuckin be there for u...... Whenever the fuck u need me....to lend a fuckin hand......to do a fucking good deed...so fuckin count on me....whenever the fuck u need me...fuck, I will always be there.....Even to the bitter fuckin end....send this promise to all your fuckin friends to show your fuckin friendship and watch who sends it the fuck back to u....and if they dont send it back.........FUCK THEM!
It IS a selfish and childish thing to do. Sure, any time a life is lost it's a completely horrible and sad thing. I feel sorry for the guy only because he felt he had to kill himself, but yeah I do think this was just a selfish cry for attention.
How do you think his parents feel having lost a son? And any siblings? And they said he did this because of a girl - can you imagine the indirect guilt that girl is going to feel for the rest of her life, wondering "What if we had just stayed together?" and other things like that. Can you imagine how scarring it was to the poor person who discovered his body hanging? All of his friends are going to feel this loss for a long time.
I've lost family and friends and I know how badly it hurts. A friend of mine died a year ago next month, and there isn't a day that goes by that I don't think about him, and feel that empty sinking feeling in my stomach, knowing I'll never get to talk to him again.
Sure, feel sorry for this guy who hung himself, but he knew what he was doing, and the way he went out - hanging himself from a tree in front of his friends dorm - was done obviously so that people like us would sit here and talk about him and saw "oooh, poor guy!" Fuck that.
How do you think his parents feel having lost a son? And any siblings? And they said he did this because of a girl - can you imagine the indirect guilt that girl is going to feel for the rest of her life, wondering "What if we had just stayed together?" and other things like that. Can you imagine how scarring it was to the poor person who discovered his body hanging? All of his friends are going to feel this loss for a long time.
I've lost family and friends and I know how badly it hurts. A friend of mine died a year ago next month, and there isn't a day that goes by that I don't think about him, and feel that empty sinking feeling in my stomach, knowing I'll never get to talk to him again.
Sure, feel sorry for this guy who hung himself, but he knew what he was doing, and the way he went out - hanging himself from a tree in front of his friends dorm - was done obviously so that people like us would sit here and talk about him and saw "oooh, poor guy!" Fuck that.
If I could I would shrink myself and sink through your skin to your blood cells and remove whatever makes you hurt but I am too weak to be your cure.
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I think that is the worst part there. It's almost as if he did this TO her, not BECAUSE of her. The one thing I've got to say is that she shouldn't feel guilty. If it wasn't working out, then it was good to be over with. I have had some female friends in the past that only stayed with a guy because he told them things such as "If I ever lost you I'd kill myself". Sure, it may sound romantic that he loves you that much - but if he actually MEANS it - then he's to mentally unstable to have a relationship most likely anyway. Sure, if I lost someone I loved I'd feel miserable, I might feel like I was dead for a while, but c'mon - get over it. It obviously wasn't working out in the first place or this situation would never have occured.paula wrote:. . . And they said he did this because of a girl - can you imagine the indirect guilt that girl is going to feel for the rest of her life, wondering "What if we had just stayed together?". . . .
Just my 2cents for any females in that situation.
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First, nobody can say for sure exactly what was going through his mind.
These two statements don't quite mesh...Second, all you armchair psychologists are way off base with your idea that someone commits suicide to strike out at others. Suicide is a decision based upon feelings of hopelessness and dispair. It's not based on feelings of anger or resentment.
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I never said that he commited suicide to strike out at others, but his suicide did have a huge ripple affect to everyone he knows. Sure, he was helpless, angry, despaired - probably a million different emotions were running through his head. You tell me to hold a gun to my head and then see what it takes for me to pull the trigger? Nothing could make me pull that trigger. We've all gone through depression, but if you feel hopeless, seek help. And by seeking help, I don't mean attempt suicide as a cry for help.
I have had so many horrible things happen in my life, but I've never killed myself over it. I said that I felt sorry for the poor guy because he felt he had to kill himself, but I'll never condone the act. I honestly don't care about your viewpoint because to me, suicide is the most selfish act anyone could commit. Maybe if he were dying of some incurable disease and the future was full of physical pain and suffering, then I could understand. But being 20 years old and thinking life is hell because your girlfriend broke up with you so you felt alone? I don't think that's a justifiable reason.
You said "Don't you dare disrespect the dead" I would never disrepect the dead. I'm just saying that the guy was selfish.
I have had so many horrible things happen in my life, but I've never killed myself over it. I said that I felt sorry for the poor guy because he felt he had to kill himself, but I'll never condone the act. I honestly don't care about your viewpoint because to me, suicide is the most selfish act anyone could commit. Maybe if he were dying of some incurable disease and the future was full of physical pain and suffering, then I could understand. But being 20 years old and thinking life is hell because your girlfriend broke up with you so you felt alone? I don't think that's a justifiable reason.
You said "Don't you dare disrespect the dead" I would never disrepect the dead. I'm just saying that the guy was selfish.
If I could I would shrink myself and sink through your skin to your blood cells and remove whatever makes you hurt but I am too weak to be your cure.
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First off - nobody earns respect just by dying. I don't GIVE anybody respect. I expect to earn it from others, and I expect others to earn it from me.Chreteau wrote:. . . . but don't you dare disrespect the dead.
Second - I don't think anybody is trying to disrespect him. . . it's more to make a point to anyone else that may be contemplating a similiar solution to his problem that it's not the way out. MY post was to tell anyone in the situation of being the one to "cause" the suicide that it's not their fault, and they can't expect to be responsible for the unstable actions of someone they know. I understand that doesn't help much, and I know I would be devastated if my friend or even ex girlfriend that I didn't like anymore commited suicide, but I still can't feel responsible for what they did.
As far as the girl being the cause - you're completely right, it IS just a premature assumption. Nobody has the right to say WHY he did it. . . but there is a good chance that had at least something to do with it. As far as saying "Fuck him" as you mentioned - well, isn't that just another way of dealing with pain/stress/anger/etc.? Who here hasn't been effected by it and need at least minor venting from the whole ordeal? This is just another way of saying (I'll admit not the most tactful) that "Well, it's not our fault, and we can't feel guilty for the rest of our lives because HE chose to take HIS life!"